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Sid Vicious... nazi?


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Hexa
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hee, hee, hee... it is an over priced "chic" company that makes imposter trucker clothing. Their trucker hats are really trendy. The Hilton sisters, Britney Spears and pretty much everybody like that wears the stuff. It is ridiculous.
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lawn_gnomes_r_evil502
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hell, if being a winner was just driving a nice car, dating a hot peice of ass, listining to shitty music and laughing at the poor kids, im not far off hahabut you know what?

**** it, let's dance
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Sick****24
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First off, stick to the topic

You people are not looking at the time, place or era of music and style when the sex pistols came out. Again i made some other post, saying what they did , and how great they were for their time, what they created , but that is off topic.

As for the nazi imagery, etc.. on sid and others at that time. First off, none of these bands had some set defined idea of what punk was neither did they believe in marxist -esque ethics or political correctness. In fact it never existed. They wore the nazi stuff no.1 because it looked cool, no.2 to show the feeling of power, shock and hate towards the correct-grown ups and hippies of the time and no.3 because some of them might have gotten partially into it. Correct me if im wrong, but there are interviews and songs were sid openly uses the words niggers and wogs. And take that sid song "belsen was a gas". Again it was normal to say those words back then unlike now, and that song could have been irony and the cool effect.

But sid, sioux, rotten, darby crash etc.. liked this imagery and a shallow meaning of it.

You had very few national front punks that were being recruited by some older assholes aside that. Which might have been caused by the swastica style in punk.., and generally people used words like faggot, paki, nigger, wog, etc.. as it was kinda of normal back then..


To me they never thought about it being a peace symbol or a way of telling society they were controled or doing it solely for only the sake of shocking or any of that over-thought about stuff .
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lawn_gnomes_r_evil502
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well put but what the **** is a wog?
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Hexa
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By answering this we would be off topic and then bittched at some more by the 'on-topic' police. ;) Please talk only about Sid Vicious. And I think we about coved the swastika topic when we said it was used for SHOCK VALUE.

But 'lawn gnomes r evil' is cool , so I'll tell you: a wog is an offensive term used to describe non-white people. Specifically Asian, but it has spread to include anyone with darker than white skin.
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lawn_gnomes_r_evil502
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ahhh

i should know this, considering i live in buttfuck INDIANA
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shinobi
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Green wogs green wogs
Our face don't fit
Green wogs green wogs
We ain't no Brits

SLF :)
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lawn_gnomes_r_evil502
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a wog sounds like some kinda swamp troll
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

in australia we use the word "wog" all the time ... even the wogs call themselves wogs ...
but in australia its used to describe people of european or middle-eastern background (like italians, spanish, turkish etc) rather than asians ...
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LotToSay21
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ohh


damn i learn so much from this site
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Hexa
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

*****, People took the negative word and embraced it, turning it from a slur to something more empowering?????? That's how I interpreted the Australian use of the word. Am I correct? Or no?
I've never heard the word used in the States.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well ... yeah ...
in australia it used to be pretty offensive to those types of people ...
and i guess in certain situations and to an extent it still is today ..
but if they call themselves wogs then i guess its not really offensive anymore .. its just a slang way of talking about certain racial backgrounds i guess ...
all nationalities in australia have a sort of slang name that probably used to be offensive but isnt anymore . ..i think in many ways australia is pretty laid-back about this sort of "racial slur" etc thing ..
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Hexa
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool, thanks for answering!
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bloodsugar
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i believe i remeber seeing an interview with siouxsie sioux, where she said at the time she didnt even know what the symbol meant.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

avril lavigne, nazi?
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